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Good grief, breasts are not obscene! Not on a Starbucks mermaid or in a nursing baby’s mouth.

My friends and I decided to take the kids and go out to lunch today. I had just given my friend Cynthia a thank you note and gift card to Starbucks.

“Thank you for the gift card!” she said.

“You’re welcome,” I said, “I nearly got you something practical, but I know you drive past Starbucks every day so this way you can treat yourself a little.”

“I will,” she said, “And oh, by the way, did you hear that some Christian group is calling for a boycott of Starbucks, because of their logo? The new retro one? They said it shows breasts.”

“ARGH!” I yelled, right in the middle of the restaurant, “I am so offended!”

But I’m not offended by Starbucks; I’m offended that some group thinks that breasts are so obscene that the group members, and everyone else for that matter, should boycott a coffeehouse because it shows a little curve of a breast on an illustration of a mermaid.

Breast. Breast. Breast. Breast. Breast.  A mammary gland that sits on every woman’s chest at some point, at least. Prone to cancer.  Useful for supporting bodices. Intended to nurse our young. A body part.

So what do I say to this group? 

It won’t shock you to find out I say grow up, get a life and focus on some real problems.

So you look at a drawing and because you are constantly on the hunt for obscenity and evil, it somehow struck you people that the mermaid illustration looks like a spread-legged prostitute (really? How do you know what one looks like, oh thou holier than thou self-righteously indignant folk? And does a spread-legged prostitute look that different than a spread-legged wife? Just wondering.) . Your next logical leap is that everyone should boycott this coffeehouse.

For real? Get real.

Here’s an idea, my rolling holy friends, why not do your part to save the planet and take in your own coffee mug to Starbucks? That way your delicate sensibilities won’t be offended by a little cleavage on a cartoon logo on a disposable cup. (By the way, since you’re so worried about Good v. Evil, do you recycle these cups?)

Or feel free to avoid Starbucks. Shorter lines for me! But quit trying to bring some sort of bully tactic boycott pressure to force a coffeehouse to change its logo. It won’t work for me; I’m more likely to buy more coffee there now, in support of the mermaid.

Have to support the sisters! (No pun intended.)

Luckily your tactic won’t work on Starbucks, either. The chain announced that the illustration—based on a 16th century Norse woodcarving—will be around for the duration of the special appeal to customers to not cut lattes from their budgets completely.

And if you want to find something really obscene—because breasts simply aren’t, not in artistic, historical illustrations or in nursing baby’s mouths—I’ll be glad to point your in a fewdirections. We can start with the rising homeless problem in the US, the overly complicated processes returning veterans have to wade through while injured, or how about China or Myanmar?

But not the breast. Let me say it again to be clear:

Breasts are not by their very nature obscene. Period. It’s that simple. It’s context and intent that make something obscene.  We can’t keep making breasts something that is obscene just by virtue (no pun intended) of being a breast. It asks women to be ashamed of a part of their body. No. No and no. Not anymore.

Julie also rants on Using My Words and raves on MOMocrats.

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  1. Blogversary said:

    It is a shame that all Christians get lumped into one big group.

  2. Julie Pippert said:

    I was actually very careful to identify them as “some group” and “some Christian group” and “this group” in order to NOT broad brush all Christians, but to demonstrate my point and words were targeted to this specific group.

    I think if you read again you’ll see I’m very pointedly addressing this group, not all Christians.

  3. Gwen Bell said:

    Thanks for the post, Julie. I recently had a convo with a new mom on a plane. She was quick to point out that one of the most interesting things she’s had to deal with is breastfeeding in public. We then talked about breasts, hooter hiders (which are totally cute!) and when to get kids off the boob. I appreciate the frank opinion here. And really, as a graphic designer, I don’t take issue with the breasts. I take issue with the ugly. Again, just my opinion, but the new logo is truly ug.

    I also take issue with the corporateness of Starbucks and support my local baristas every chance I can get. Funny, I guess it’s all about priorities.

  4. Julie Pippert said:

    Hi Gwen, thanks for dropping by! Thanks more for commenting. Interesting conversation with the new mom—I agree with her that simply trying to feed your baby publicly if you’re breastfeeding can be…interesting.

    I admit I’m not too sure what a two-tailed mermaid has to do with coffee, LOL, and I agree that supporting mom and pop shops is a great idea.

    I also have respect for people who make mindful choices, on a personal level, to suit their moral convictions.

    But most of all, I am fatigued with this unhealthy obsession that women need to consider a part of their body obscene.

  5. Ree said:

    I never got to breastfeed my son, but oh mah holy hell, some people have nothing better to do with their time, obviously, than to look for the obscene in everyday objects.

    You said it so well Julie. There are far, far more obscene things in this world that half of a boob showing on a paper cup.

  6. Blogversary said:

    Thanks for the response. I understand your statement and yea, the response to the design is over the top.

  7. Mama Zen said:

    I agree with Gwen. It’s obscenely ugly, but it’s certainly not obscene!

  8. allison said:

    A-M-E-N.

  9. guest said:

    Mmmm. I don’t know. I am a very avid pro-breastfeeder, and think that breasts are over-sexualized, too…but that doesn’t mean I want to see them in public. There are parts of the body that should remain covered up in public: breasts, butt cracks, and the like!! :P I dont want to see any of them! That doesnt mean that I dont appreciate the human body for what it is, and appreciate the beauty of it. Theres just a time and place for everything.

    I mean, who is going to sit there and draw the line of whats acceptable? A crude drawing of a naked woman on the side of a building? A computer generated woman with her breasts showing on a billboard? An actual naked woman on a commercial? I just think there should be limits to what is exposed to the general public.

  10. Julie Pippert said:

    Hi guest! I agree that breasts are oversexualized, and you actually hit on my main point: by misusing breasts: we’ve gotten to the point of thinking of ALL of them as obscene and wanting a blanket rule to ban images of them.

    I don’t agree with that.

    As I said, context and intent matter.

    I agree that advertisers should use more taste and class than they do sometimes, oh yes I do absolutely agree with you on that.

    Censorship makes my neck go skeevy though.

  11. Shadhe said:

    you know, i think the only reason why we keep seeing breasts as obscene, at least in my case, is because every damned time i walk down the street someone has to hoot and holler and do cat calls saying some of the stupidest things ever. Then you can bet i want to cover them up nice and good.

    As for that certain christian group, if my belief were so easily threatened by cartoon characters, i’d think twice before saying someone ELSE has issues to resolve.

    Thanks for the great post!

  12. Caroline said:

    Our country has issues. No doubt, breasts are attractive to many (as my DH says “boobs are cool”). People want to see them, women flaunt them, they are regularly objectified. But you are absolutely right. Its all about context. So many other countries, in both the first and third world, have learned to seperate when breasts are sexualized and when they are just part of our anatomy. Its completely acceptable to go topless at a beach, have nude statues about and to breast feed in public all over Europe, Africa, South America, on it goes. Unfortunately, women are still objectified everywhere and I don’t think that will change for some time, but in many countries, somehow breasts DO have an appropriate place in the public eye and are not unconditionally assumed as something pornographic. Honestly…. two small barely obvious breasts on a cup? And we really care? Wow, we look stupid and even juvenile.

    I know when I started breast feeding, I was careful to be discrete, but I could care less who saw them. They were feeding my child. Deal with it! I swear some ppl acted as if I was doing a strip tease. Um. NOT exactly. Its JUST a boob. That is feeding a child. We have been doing this for centuries. Why is breastfeeding treated as if it is offensive or even (gag) sexual in our country?

    Final thought - I highly recommend going topless at a beach where its acceptable. Its a great experience - very freeing! And so great to see that women come in all shapes and sizes and its no big deal. The bigger deal we make about boobs - the more mysterious, shameful and evil they seem to become. Its mind boggling.

    Awesome post!

  13. Oxnard said:

    I wish you would have included an address to Starbuck’s so we can email/write or call and let them know we support the logo and don’t want it changed.

    BTW, I tend to lump all X-Tians together. But that’s another story.

  14. suveer said:

    I like that the Christians are boycotting Starbucks because of breasts and not because Starbucks uses child slave labor to pick coffee beans.

  15. Erin said:

    Thanks for the great post! I am very glad to find that I am not the only one who is offended by those who find breasts offensive!

  16. anna said:

    I usually prefer local coffee shops to corporate giant starbucks, but thanks to those extremists I won’t avoid the place altogether anymore.

  17. Jade said:

    To that particular group of Christians I say: Learn to use your neck! It’s the part of your body that swivels your head away from that which you do not wish to see. You use your neck to turn away from everything else you choose not to acknowledge, why not breasts if you’re so easily offended by them?

    Well said, Julie, loved the post.

  18. Bri said:

    Hoozah! :D i totally agree with you! Thanks for speaking up!

  19. Rick said:

    Christianity:

    The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

    Yep, makes perfect sense. Religion is for the weak minded. Believe in yourselves people. You did “it” all by yourself! Your imaginary friend had nothing to do with it.

    Believe and live by the 10 commandments but not how they came to be. Be a good person but don’t put yourselves down by stating it was “God’s” doing. Nope, sorry, YOU did “it”!

    C’mon people, live in the now will yah? Get some education, believe in yourselves.

  20. Jenn said:

    Your post is wonderful. It stinks that breast have become seen as sexual in stead of a body part. With all of this crap about it being sexual or the female body has to be a certain way to be attractive then people wonder why so many girls grow up dislikeing there body’s. I agree there is so many other things that people could be doing then boycotting a company because of a logo. I think they do it because they have no idea on how to fix some of the bigger problems going on in the USA. Boycotting starbucks is a joke not every one is going to do it and if only a small amout of people do it that isn’t going to have an effecte on them.

  21. maggie said:

    maybe you should do your research first before you send a response to the christian “group” like that. That saying it was at all unneccessary, but some more information - like the background or orgin - of the picture would be useful. Like from another website talking about the Starbucks logo,
    “although the image is that of a split-tailed sea creature, it is a siren. More specifically, it is a double-tailed siren, a baubo siren, which The Woman’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects points out, is ‘a cross between a mermaid and a sheila-na-gig’” (http://www.endicott-studio.com/jMA03Summer/theMermaid.html). The site even relates the christian symbol of a fish - with the miracle of loaves and fish - to the topic! Lol. You should really check it out Julie. I hope you don’t take this offensively, I just thought you should look into this.

  22. Liz said:

    I think saying that the breast is just a body part is not really accurate. For women, this may so be the case, but for men, breasts are much more than just a body part. Men are just built to appreciate a nice rack. There’s nothing else to it. So, those Christians are maybe extreme in their trying to rid from public view, but we can’t deny that when a man looks at a woman’s breasts, it excites him. But yeah, the starbucks coffee cop is a bit of a silly thing to attack.

  23. Susan said:

    I am so tired of people thinking that breastfeeding moms are being obscene. I’m way more offended by girls in skimpy tops and their underwear hanging out than by a mom feeding her child in the most natural way possible.

  24. Ann said:

    Calling for a boycott over a black and white cartoonish drawing is a bit ridiculous. I actually think it’s cute….There is nothing obscene about the way the breasts are drawn in the logo. Implying that breasts are obscene and musts always be covered teaches girls to be ashamed of their bodies-I find that sinful.

  25. emme said:

    Julie… great post! Couldn’t have said it better myself. xo
    from a grandma

  26. Wanda said:

    My boyfriend Will read this article. He agrees or at least he says so. He then said, “I am going to ride the bus without pants let the world look at my non-obscene wanker.”

    I got mad then I thought he has a point at what point does the body and society draw the line. Do we let women walk topless and have men like Will get into accidents? Do we have men dangling in all their freedom “pointing directions” (as Will would say)?

    Have you ever seen a old fat man at the beach? I don’t find it beautiful. How about an old Braless lady who needs to tie them in a knot? (Yes, my funny yet immature boyfriend sings the song).

    My last point is society has a strong push towards silicon and bigger is better. I refuse to follow this shameful trend. Yes, my kisses sometimes make me feel less than adequate, but Will loves them (sometimes too much). I don’t want to see “Juggsy” Malone waltzing through the mall. To be totally honest about it, right now I have more ways of changing my bust size than she does; I don’t want to lose the advantage.

  27. Corran said:

    The logo is actually the original starbucks logo. From the original starbucks in seatle.

  28. Corran said:

    And it is ugly, but has some meaning behind it.

  29. Renee said:

    FABULOUS post! I was only able to breastfeed my son for nine weeks, but even in that short amount of time, the glares from some people made me so uncomfortable that the decision, taken out of my hands by necessity, not quite as difficult to bear. I’m a bit older and wiser now (that was 16 years ago) and would stare right back - after all, that’s was a woman’s breasts are designed to do; nurture a child - but then? Being a single mom, and wanting to do the best for her child, being subjected to nasty - or worse - leering stares as a new mother? No woman should go through that.

    And this particular Christian group? Wanting to boycott Starbucks because the new logo shows breasts? Good grief. Why don’t they just look away, just like they can turn the channel, or turn the page. They don’t have to go there, but neither do they have to force THEIR “logo” beliefs on the rest of us.

    This is just as stupid as Rachael Ray’s Dunkin’ Donuts commercial being dropped because she was wearing a scarf, and some idiot pundit deciding that it looked like a terrorist’s scarf - can’t have THAT. Commercial dropped. Grow up, people! We have way bigger things to worry about than scarves and logos! At least Starbucks didn’t cave…

  30. Vanessa said:

    Ever wonder why male nudity is funny and female nudity is obscene? Yeah, me too. Having lived in the UK for nearly two years, issues such as this have been such an eye-opener. Everyone is born naked, everyone (so far as I know shower naked), yet it seems that large number of people seems to forget that. My impression of these “offended” groups in the US is shared by most people here: “Who cares?”
    I can understand why some people get offended, but for the most part, most people in the UK get it. It’s because of such mundane “problems” as these that my husband and I don’t care to live in the US.
    Want to find “tasteful” nudity? Go to an art gallery. But hurry! I fear that the “Christian zealots” may soon get their meat hooks into them as well.

  31. Matari said:

    The point is that capitalism routinely objectifies women’s bodies to SELL - that is why it is objectionable, not because it is obscene. Our daughters are being brought up in a society which surrounds them with images of women’s bodies - thin ones at that. By using breasts as an advertising tool, Starbucks are not showing respect to women; imagine if they used as penis on the cup - men would go mad, and quite rightly too.

  32. b said:

    a) it was my understanding that that christian group was boycotting because it looked the the “female was spreading her legs” - not because her breasts were exposed.

    ‘The Starbucks logo has a naked woman on it with her legs spread like a prostitute,complained Mark Dice, founder of the group Resistance. Need I say more? It’s extremely poor taste, and the company might as well call themselves Slutbucks.”

    b) on the comment by Renee in regards to the Rachel Ray commercial. Dont you know this is America the land of the free home of the brave. oh wait, did i say free? sorry, i meant Highly censored, we wouldnt want our kids thinking they can run around dressed like terrorists for halloween. or that we did anything wrong with the war.

    Other than that Great posts, no matter what the reason for censorship was/is. People should embrace the human body, especially the woman’s body for what it is.

    Some People need to stop over-sexualizing everything!!!!

  33. Maegen said:

    Wow, in all honesty, I wonder how the conversation that lead up to the deciding that the breasts of a mermaid on a paper cup were “over the top.”

    They were getting coffee, then all the sudden noticed to boobs and thought; “I can’t have my kids seeing…this!!” ?

    Really, who has the time to even worry about that?
    They are lucky people. I barely even have the time to write
    this post, but the whole things so ridiculous I felt like it was my moral obligation to tell those people to, quiet frankly, GET A FUCKING LIFE!

  34. Ginny said:

    I’m not a big coffee drinker, but maybe I’ll head over to Starbucks today, lol. Great post, I missed this issue. I usually keep up on the funny different Christian group boycotts. I’m not Christian, but I didn’t think your post targeted all christians in a lump sum at all.

    Oh & I loved the part of How do you know what a spread eagled prostitute look like. My theory on how these groups know what is evil, etc is because it is all the things that they do behind closed doors that they do not want anyone to know about, lol.

  35. Ritchard said:

    My Christian brethren puzzle and embarrass me.

  36. me said:

    I am not religous inany way, and I am very open minded, but I have to agree that the naked body, and what we teach our children is “private” should be kept private.

    Hell a mans privates are just another part of the body too….but i sure as hell dont want to see that flopping around on my cup.

    There are plenty of marketing genuises out there - they could have come up with something better that wouldnt piss off parents.
    Hell if we were all adults you know we would probably walk around naked and happy.
    But we have children- and god knows our culture is pretty bad already, i dont need another thing to hide from my kids

  37. Steph said:

    That’s ridiculous that anyone would have a problem with breasts. Geez, I get mad because when I go swimming men don’t have to wear tops but I do because I am a woman. I think breasts are a natural part of my body and don’t see why mine should be covered when men’s are not!

  38. yes! said:

    preach it!
    breasts are beautiful. some people really need to get over it already……..

  39. Allison said:

    Thanks for posting! This is well spoken and I completely agree! Keep up the good work!

  40. Rose said:

    I stumbled across your blog and I couldn’t agree more! People need to stop bringing up redundant issues and start being concerned with real issues. If they want to worry about something obscene, they should focus their attention on the rapes and atrocities happening to women every day in Sierra Leon or places like that. They should realize that they are lucky to be in a country where they are able to have a voice about things as minuscule as a piece of art on a coffee cup and realize that the voice, which they have no reservations using, should be used to create awareness of or prevent something truly obscene.

  41. guest said:

    I agree one hundred percent. In high school I practiced and studied nude art. And was cautious enough to ask my teachers support before hand incase it became a problem. No one stopped me… but none of my work was allowed to be displayed outside of the classroom, and I had to bring in a sculpture wrapped in a blanket. I was fine with this because I knew that high school especially was no place for nude art.

    I kept nothing of my work from other kids, but it was really hard to be patient and not strangle them when they kept telling me I was making porn. Somehow, I believe Americans have lost the ability to view art.

    There is nothing wrong with a nude body, it is the most natural and pure state for a person to be in. Above all, I find the curves of women much much more beautiful (I am straight, so this is not a sexual thing) and for some reason women are the most sexualized and objectified out of our species. I never figured out why, and I wish it would not be that way but it is. My sculpture was of a womans torso… collar bone to low pelvis. The only actual “problem” with it was the breasts. I have friends that continue to view this sculpture in a perverted sense. I have no clue how it’s even possible… There’s not face or anything, it’s a white, hard, cold sculpture meant to represent a pure form in chaos… and no one sees that.

    All they see is breasts.

    I guess that’s my main point. America was founded on puritan Christianity, and I suppose no matter what happens, that “purist” demonization of a body is never going away. That fact saddens me a lot. The fact that no matter what is done (along with several other social problems such as racial issues) nothing really ever changes. Fashion trends change and maybe some tolerance, but there is still a hatred for a naked body.

    The difference between pornography and art is simply the difference of being naked and nude. A baby is never naked… naked is a “dirty” sounding word because it is a negative context. Someone is naked when they know and exhibit nakedness, and someone is nude when they are simple unclothed and carefree. No nude person is sexual, it’s the eye of the person viewing the nude individual that then makes them sexual objects.

    The Christians, in essence are fighting themselves.

  42. Adam Ricketson said:

    Are you sure that this is actually “a group” and not just a lone kook trying to drum up some publicity for himself?

    This seems to be “The Resistance” in question:
    http://www.theresistancemanifesto.com/

    The website has a lot of writing, but no indication that there are actual group activities going on. But there’s this:

    ““Resistance meetings” are held daily, anywhere and everywhere by current members and we are continuously accepting new believers. ”

    Yeah.

    I also like how the website discusses Mark Dice in the third person…when it’s pretty obvious that he wrote it all himself.

    Can you say “egomaniac”?



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